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Episode 134: Sustainability as a Business Owner with Sabrina Gebhardt

November 15, 2022

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Sustainable business management isn't hard - here's Sabrina Gebhardt, a lifestyle photographer, with tips and tricks to get you started.

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Because you’re tuned into this podcast, I know that you want to see more simplicity in your life and business. I mean, why else would you download a business episode from a podcast called Chasing Simple, right? But maybe simplicity and sustainability sound great in theory, but are hard for you to practically come by.

And you certainly aren’t alone in that. I believe that simplicity is never going to be something we find once and for all, but is an ongoing practice. Which is why I show up here week after week, to share practical ways to implement simplicity in your life, business, and marketing. It’s also why I bring in experts to help share their own areas of expertise and how we can simplify those as well.

And this week, I’m so excited to be joined by Sabrina Gebhardt, a lifestyle photographer of more than 11 years in Fort Worth, Texas and a business coach to photographers and other creative entrepreneurs. She’s married to her college sweetheart, and together they have 3 kids and 2 dogs. Sabrina is a lover of caffeine, emojis, color, and reading anything she can get her hands on (which is how I just know you’re going to love her). She’s also a strong enneagram 3 who really does have to force herself to sit still, but over the years has learned that her business (and her sanity) benefit from slowing down.

And today she’s joining us to share with you some practical ways that you can build sustainability and slowing down into your business as well! You’re going to love some of these tips she’s brought with her, so without wasting any time, let’s dive on in!


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Sustainable business management isn't hard - here's Sabrina Gebhardt, a lifestyle photographer, with tips and tricks to get you started.

Sabrina is a lifestyle photographer of more than 11 years living in Fort Worth, Texas and a business coach to photographers and other creative entrepreneurs. She’s married to her college sweetheart and they have 3 kids and 2 dogs. Sabrina loves caffeine, emojis, color and reading anything she can get her hands on. She’s a strong enneagram 3 who really does have to force herself to sit still but over the years has learned that her business (and sanity) benefits from slowing down.

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Because you’re tuned into this podcast, I know that you want to see more simplicity in your life and business. I mean, why else would you download a business episode from a podcast called Chase And Simple, right? But maybe simplicity and sustainability sound great in theory, but are hard for you to practically come by, and you’re certainly.

Not alone in this. I believe that simplicity is never going to be something that we find once and for all, but that is an ongoing practice, which is why I show up here week after week to share practical ways to implement simplicity into your life, your business, and your marketing. It’s also why I bring in experts to help share their own areas of expertise and how we can simplify those as well. 

And this week I am so excited to be joined by Sabrina Gebhardt a lifestyle photographer of more than 11 years in Fort Worth, Texas, and a business coach to photographers and other creative entrepreneurs. She’s married to her college sweetheart, and together they have three kids and two dogs. Sabrina is a lover of caffeine, emojis, color, and reading anything that she can get our hands on, which is how I just know that you’re going to love her. 

She’s also a strong Ingram three who really does have to force herself to sit still. But over the years has learned that her business and her sanity benefit from slowing down. And today she’s joining us to share with you some practical ways that you can build sustainability and slowing down into your business as well.

You’re going to love some of these tips that she’s brought with her. So without wasting any time, let’s dive on in. You’re listening to episode 134 of The Chasing Simple Podcast, and I’m your host, Amanda Warfield.

[00:01:27] Amanda: Sabrina, I am so excited to have you on. Can you just give everyone a quick introduction to who you are and what you do, 

[00:01:35] Sabrina: and who you serve. 

[00:01:36] Sabrina: Yeah. My name is Sabrina Ghar. I am a lifestyle photographer of almost 12 years, and I do newborns and families. And I am in the Fort Worth, Texas area. And in the past six years, I have dipped into coaching business coaching and mentoring and all of that.

[00:01:56] Sabrina: I have a course and a mastermind and a membership and all the things. But honestly, I have found such a passion in relating and watching other female creatives go, you know what I mean? Like seeing the light bulbs go off and seeing them make just minor tweaks in their business and then things just explode.

[00:02:15] Sabrina: that’s my favorite thing in the whole wide world. I love connecting with my clients too, but the connecting through coaching and business mentorship has been absolutely incredible. 

[00:02:26] Amanda: What are some common tweaks? This is absolutely not what we were planning on talking about today, but what were, what are some common tweaks that you see?

[00:02:34] Amanda: Is there any kind of common thread with those that you see your clients making that really. Help with that? Sustainable growth or is it just always different from business to business? I’m just curious. 

[00:02:46] Sabrina: Yeah. Yeah. There’s definitely common threads and you say, it’s not relating to what we’re gonna talk about, but it totally is relating to what we’re gonna talk about.

[00:02:55] Sabrina: Everybody’s trying to do too much at the same time, and it doesn’t matter what industry they’re in. Most of who I coach is photographers, but. this happens, it’s everybody. Creative entrepreneurs, especially women. We think we have to wear all the hats, do all the things in our home with our kids in our business, we have to serve all the people.

[00:03:16] Sabrina: We can’t say no. And so it all filters back to just taking on too much. 

[00:03:21] Amanda: You’re so right. You know, I’m not sure if you’re on TikTok, but there’s always this running joke about hot girls have stomach issues, and I, I’ve always found it funny because I can relate, right? Yeah. And I had this realization the other day.

[00:03:39] Amanda: That the reason it seems like every woman has stomach issues is probably because we don’t take the time to feed ourselves three square meals a day, right? We don’t take the time to drink enough water during the day. We don’t take the time to move our body to get enough sleep because we’re always going and we’re always doing.

[00:03:58] Amanda: So yeah, I’m really glad that we were having this conversation right now. Yeah, because I think it’s something every single one of us relates to. 

[00:04:04] Sabrina: Yeah. I mean, we can be so concerned about our children’s health and wellbeing, our spouse’s health, our parents, whatever mindfulness for everybody else, but taking mindfulness for ourselves and our body and our intuition and our needs, we don’t, 

[00:04:20] Amanda: it just feels like no more thing.

[00:04:22] Sabrina: Yeah.

[00:04:22] Amanda: It’s, it’s so much on top of so much. 

[00:04:26] Sabrina: Right. Exactly.

[00:04:28] Amanda: So I’m curious, how did you go from photography business? To helping other business owners with that sustainability piece and really creating white space in their lives. 

[00:04:42] Sabrina: Yeah. Yeah. So, like many people’s stories, you know, it’s because I’ve been through it, right?

[00:04:49] Sabrina: Like, I did not set out for that. I don’t have any kind of life coaching experience I, or therapy experience or anything like that. And when I started teaching, it was really just. The one on one mentoring, teaching photographers how to grow their photography business, how to take better images. And that started to develop that like I can really connect with women, I can pinpoint what their issues are and help them.

[00:05:11] Sabrina: But as far as how it turned into more of. Generalizing like a sustainable business and mindfulness and taking care of ourselves. I’m pointing to myself here, taking care of ourselves so that we can better ourselves and then better our business that is like life experience. So I had been in business for about seven years when I had several personal tragedies happen back to back to back, all within like a six month window.

[00:05:39] Sabrina: And as you can imagine, that led to extreme overwhelm. Really bad burnout and then depression. And it was this whole gamut of things and working through a therapist and doing like a million types of self care to pull myself out of that. Not only for my business, but for my family and my personal life, my friends, my kids.

[00:05:59] Sabrina: I learned all these tools and I started to realize, As I was coming through it that yes, I had extreme circumstances, but all of these little pieces are things that female creatives deal with on the regular, and if I can help share some of these things so that they’re not dealing with the same stuff or don’t get to the same point I do, I’m absolutely going to.

[00:06:22] Amanda: Yeah. 

[00:06:23] Amanda: And I, I think that’s so important because it’s not if we burn ourselves out, Right. But when. 

[00:06:31] Sabrina: Absolutely. 

[00:06:32] Sabrina: So 

[00:06:33] Amanda: Once you started to implement all of these tools mm-hmm. , 

[00:06:37] Amanda: what kind of result did you see within your business from implementing those tools and implementing that white space? 

[00:06:45] Sabrina: Yeah, so it’s really scary for creative entrepreneurs.

[00:06:49] Sabrina: Like when you pull back to the basics, we started business because we wanna serve people because we wanna make money, right? It’s just this, it’s this cycle. And people that are in the beginning stages think that like to make money equals serving a lot of people. Like it’s a quantity thing. But what people who have been around the block for a while will tell you is it’s not necessarily quantity, it’s quality, right?

[00:07:11] Sabrina: Being able to serve people better by serving less people, right? And so working through that transition of, Okay, I need to charge more, I need to serve less was huge. And then really implementing that white space so that I did not feel the physical effects of burnout and overwhelm. Right? And those effects can be physically being dizzy, not being able to sleep, gut issues.

[00:07:39] Sabrina: You know, breathing, like constantly taking, having to take deep breaths. I mean, there’s all kinds of like physical manifestations of burnout and overwhelm and implementing the white space, taking on less clients, saying no to things. So that I had more margin, allowed me space to breathe, allowed my nervous system time to come down and stop, like radiating, right?

[00:08:04] Sabrina: And to anyone who’s ever been through the deep throws of burnout, which does lead to depression, like they go there, one is an entry way into the other. You know that a lot of times when you are deeply depressed, you’re numb. Like, you’re beyond the point of caring, you know? And I’m not talking about like deep, deep depression where we need medication and intervention.

[00:08:25] Sabrina: I’m just talking about the low level depression that so many people carry around all the time. We’re just numb. We go through the motions of photographing clients or serving people and we do it and we’re, we’re doing okay, but that passion and that fire’s not there. Like we just don’t care. You know, and so implementing that white space allows room for your nervous system to come down, for you to breathe, for you to have that passion back.

[00:08:50] Amanda: As I’m listening to this, I’m thinking, yes, is also important. I need this. I need to be better about this. But there’s also a large part of me, and I imagine at least some of the listeners have the same gut instinct of. But what do I do with that white space? Because I know that for me, the second I clear white space in my schedule, if I don’t have something that I’m directly doing.

[00:09:16] Amanda: I fill it with work. Yeah. So once you made that white space, which we’ll get into how you did, but yeah. Once you did create that white space so you could step back in your business, what did you do at that time? What did that white space look like for you practically? 

[00:09:29] Sabrina: Yeah, so first of all, this is the way I do it. There’s probably a million ways, right? But I am right there with you. I am an Ingram three. I’m a doer. I like to be busy. I like to take on all the projects, I like all the things, and I really have a hard time sitting still. A really physically hard time sitting still. I mean, right. It’s just, I don’t do that very well.

[00:09:50] Sabrina: And white space came out of when I was working with a therapist and we came to the conclusion that like, that is what I needed. I needed actual dead space where I’m not doing anything. And she gave me that assignment and then I went to the next appointment. She’s like, How did that go? And. It, it didn’t , you know, because I couldn’t pull it off.

[00:10:13] Sabrina: And she’s like, Nope, we’re gonna put some systems in place. So it happens. Who’s your best friend? You need to, you need to literally like phone a friend here and have them follow up with you to make sure that you are actually doing the thing. And so that’s what I did. So I told my best friend, Okay, on Wednesday from 10 to noon, I have white space.

[00:10:30] Sabrina: I need you to actually check in with me at 10:00 AM or 10. Oh. Okay. And she did. And she’s like, What are you doing? And I, you know, and I’m telling her, and she’s like, Then she gets all preachy on me. Nope, this is your, this is your assignment. So that’s how it went for the first few times. It was really uncomfortable.

[00:10:49] Sabrina: I had to like phone a friend, to have somebody hold me accountable, hold me actually accountable to not doing anything. And what it has turned into and what I actually like to teach people is you can fill that space with something, with an activity. You don’t have to just like lay and look at the ceiling, but the key is to fill it with whatever your soul needs that day.

[00:11:16] Sabrina: So the difference is if you’re thinking to yourself, a pedicure is always my favorite type of self-care. I have white space. On Friday, I’m gonna make an appointment for a pedicure. Okay? What happens is you wake up Friday morning and you could be super jazzed about said pedicure, but now you have an appointment.

[00:11:32] Sabrina: You have somewhere to be. You have to make sure you get out of the house on time. You have to get dressed, you have to, you know, there’s just a little level of stress added to it, even though it’s relaxing and gonna be wonderful. Whereas if you just gave yourself that space of time on Friday and woke up Friday morning and said, I’ve got two hours.

[00:11:50] Sabrina: what do I need to do today? What I really need? You could decide on a whim to go get the pedicure. You could also decide to lay down and take a nap. To read your book, to phone your bestie and say, Hey, come meet me for brunch, whatever it is. And so that’s, that is the difference for me is you can use, Very rarely am I actually sitting on the couch with my feet up, but I’m giving myself self the gift of what do I need today?

[00:12:17] Sabrina: It cannot be work, it cannot be chores, it cannot be related to my children. It has to be. What does Sabrina need? 

[00:12:23] Amanda: I like those parameters that you set for yourself. , Here’s my biggest issue. I can decide aside the white space time. Mm-hmm. , no problem. Every Friday night, my husband plays video games with his friends.

[00:12:34] Amanda: I have my own white space. It’s great. Yeah. The problem comes when I get to the white space. I can’t figure out for the life of me what I need or wanna do. And that’s the hardest part is I sit there and I go, Okay, well I could. play the piano. I could go bake something, I could play the Sims, I could, you know, like I have all these thoughts that I’m just spiraling of, Well, maybe I should do this.

[00:12:56] Amanda: Oh, I don’t know. Maybe I should do this. Maybe I should do this. And then I don’t decide. And I inevitably scroll TikTok for. Hours

[00:13:02] Sabrina: . I wonder, 

[00:13:03] Amanda: make up my mind. 

[00:13:03] Sabrina: So my first thought, my first thought is, I wonder if, because you’re trying to do it, at the end of the day, your brain is incapable of making that decision.

[00:13:12] Sabrina: Mm-hmm. , because you’re not fresh, you know what I mean? Like maybe down the line you could have Friday nights, like after you’re in the habit of doing something. But maybe to get started since you haven’t been able to start implementing it, maybe you need to allow yourself a mid-morning, one day, something when you’re more fresh, when you are more in tune with like, What do I need today?

[00:13:32] Sabrina: You know what I mean? Because I know

[00:13:35] Sabrina: in the evenings I’m like, Tap tapped out. totally tapped out. So I don’t know that I’d be able to make that decision either. You know? 

[00:13:42] Amanda: I have literally never thought about that, but That makes sense. So much sense. So much sense. 

[00:13:47] Sabrina: Wow. I hope it helps. I hope it works. .

[00:13:50] Amanda: So then that leads me to my next question, which is how much white space do you set aside?

[00:13:56] Amanda: How do you know where to even begin with that? . 

[00:14:00] Sabrina: Yeah. Yeah. So the, the long answer that I’ll go into, I guess the short end of that answer is it varies for everybody, but the reason being, we all have different capacities for what we can handle, right? Physical health, mental health, kids, marriage, where you live, what the burdens you’re carrying, if you have a full-time job.

[00:14:21] Sabrina: In addition, I mean, there’s just, there’s so many different variables of how much you can handle and. The more you’re carrying, the more you need. That’s what I, But as far as what those numbers are, it’s gonna be a trial and error. Right. I personally know that during the fall busy season for photographers, I need more of it.

[00:14:45] Sabrina: To unpack from how busy I am, whereas in the first quarter when I’m not as busy shooting and stuff, I could use a little less of it. Right. And I also know that in the summer when my kids are all home and it’s a zoo around here, I need it the most. But I’m probably not gonna get it because I, we don’t have that kind of schedule that I can plan for it as easily, you know?

[00:15:07] Sabrina: I generally say start with two hours a week, especially if you are very overwhelmed. Like if you’re coming from a really not healthy place and you’ve been overwhelmed for a really, really long time, and maybe you are borderline on depression. Start with more, give yourself a couple hours a week, but you’re gonna have to figure out what works for you.

[00:15:29] Sabrina: It might be better for you to have one full day every other week, or, you know, two full days, back to back once a month. Everybody’s gonna be different, but figuring out what feels good for you is getting you to a place where you are not overwhelmed All the time. Like you will start to feel that peel away and you will feel yourself brighter and lighter and able to manage your day to day more.

[00:15:55] Sabrina: When you get there, you have found your sweet spot, whatever that is. 

[00:15:58] Amanda: I love that. That’s great. I love that. I love that you give a practical start here, but also. That’s not gonna be the end all be all. I think that’s really important. Yeah. So other than setting aside that white space each week for yourself, what are some other practical ways that you found for yourself or with your clients that can help us move towards a more sustainable business?

[00:16:21] Sabrina: Yeah. Well, it’s, it’s nothing mind blowing that you’ve never heard of. I know it’s things that you talk about all the time, but just to really hammer this stuff home Holding firm to your boundaries and saying no to things that you know don’t serve you. The thing with that one is oftentimes we have a hard time saying, No, maybe we’re great with boundaries with work, right?

[00:16:41] Sabrina: Like, we know what projects we do and don’t want, and we say no to those, and that’s fine. But a lot of times female creatives really struggle with saying no to things. That sound great. Right. Maybe it’s the volunteer commitment or something outside of your business or an opportunity that on paper is perfect for your business, but you’re already at capacity.

[00:17:02] Sabrina: You know, it’s saying no to the things that really are great. But you have to know and remember that when you are saying yes to something, you are saying no to yourself. And that’s the game changer is being willing to say, You know what? I do come first, or my sanity comes first, or my mental health comes first.

[00:17:21] Sabrina: Even if this opportunity is fantastic. It is, it’s fantastic, but I still have to say no. So holding firm to your boundaries and saying no is a really big one.

[00:17:30] Amanda: Can I, can I jump in right there real quick? 

[00:17:31] Sabrina: Yes, please, please. 

[00:17:32] Amanda: you made the comment, this may be a fantastic opportunity, but you’re already at capacity, and I want to really encourage everyone, and I’m preaching to myself right here because I’m terrible at doing this.

[00:17:42] Amanda: Even before you hit capacity, really looking at each of those, especially business opportunities and not only asking, am I at capacity, but is this actually the best possible fit? Because there will be other opportunities and I fall into a terrible habit of, well, this is an opportunity and I need to take it just because it’s an opportunity that’s presented itself and I end up in a place where then I get better opportunities that are better fits.

[00:18:08] Amanda: Yes. And I either have to say no to a better fit. Or I have to say yes, and I burn myself out and let’s be real. I burn myself out in order to do it. So yeah, I just wanna throw that in there cuz I know that I struggle with that. Yeah. But with every opportunity, it’s not going to be your last opportunity, So evaluate it as if you’re already at capacity, because at some point you will be.

[00:18:28] Sabrina: Yeah, exactly. And, and I think intuition comes in a lot there and oftentimes we just ignore it. Especially if, you’re newer in business and you feel like you’re supposed to be saying yes to everything, because oh my gosh, it leads to future growth and I need future growth cuz my business is new.

[00:18:43] Sabrina: Well, not necessarily, I feel like we know in our gut. When it’s right. And if there’s even the slightest bit of rumbling that where you’re like, Oh, I don’t know, this could be not great. You know, if you imagine yourself, you know, months ahead of time doing the thing, or turning in the project, or talking at the event, or shooting the session or whatever that is.

[00:19:07] Sabrina: And it’s not everything, but like sparkles and rainbows. Okay? If there’s any kind of negative. Facet or emotion attached to actually doing it, then you need to say no. It doesn’t matter what it could lead to. It doesn’t matter because you’re right, more opportunities always come. Well, and 

[00:19:27] Amanda: even if, there is any doubt in your mind that it’s not the best fit.

[00:19:32] Amanda: It may not lead to anything. I’ve certainly sure taken some opportunities that I had to make investments in to be able to take those opportunities that did not pan out for my business. Yeah. And I really should have listened to my gut in some of those cases. So not every opportunity is going to grow your business.

[00:19:51] Amanda: So it’s really important to evaluate. And I like that you brought in the the intuition and what is your gut saying, because that’s an important part. 

[00:19:57] Sabrina: Yeah. The other thing that I would say, going back to the original question other things that can help with sustainability in business is getting help.

[00:20:06] Sabrina: everybody that’s been in business for 7, 10, 12 years knows that, and all the newbies hear it, but they don’t do it, and it’s just pulling the trigger on getting help sooner than later. The faster you get help, the faster you have margin, and honestly, the faster your business grows. You know, being willing to buckle down and invest in whatever kind of help you’re gonna invest in because it is an investment.

[00:20:31] Sabrina: It’s always better to do it sooner than later. And then being willing to focus only on what matters in your business and cut the fluff. You know, there’s a lot of stuff that we don’t even need to be doing. It doesn’t even matter, but we do it and waste our time anyway and think it’s this huge thing and it’s not.

[00:20:47] Sabrina: And so reevaluating like what actually needs to get done to move the needle in your business and then cutting the stuff that doesn. 

[00:20:54] Amanda: Yeah, keep it simple. And there’s so often that that happens where we think, Well, I need to create this sequence because I’m supposed to have one of those. Mm-hmm. , but you’re not really ready for it yet.

[00:21:06] Amanda: And so you create said sequence and then six months later you realize that it’s. Not doing your business any good because now your business has evolved and pivoted, and now you actually need one, and you have to go back and redo all of that work that you need. So, yeah. Yeah. Only doing things as you need to and not having all of the excess and the tasks that maybe aren’t gonna actually move the needle and are just things on your to-do list.

[00:21:30] Sabrina: Yeah. And taking that one step further. Keeping your eyes on your own paper. Mm-hmm. , just because you’re a competitor or your, somebody you know, similar business in your community or whatever is doing the thing doesn’t mean you have to be doing the thing too. Doing what serves your people and what will further your business is what matters, not what’s going around on social media and on the internet with everybody else.

[00:21:53] Sabrina: Mm-hmm. and 

[00:21:54] Amanda: even courses that you buy into or educators that you’re learning from. Take what you’re learning because if you’re investing in a course, I’m assuming you’re investing because that is a place where you’re at and you need it. We’re not investing just to invest, but even then take what they’re teaching you and strain it through the lens of, how can I use this and implement this in my business?

[00:22:16] Amanda: And not just, Okay, they said you this, so I’m gonna do this. Right? Take it. And, and that’s why it’s important not to just bulk invest in courses and things like that, but to do it one at a time as you need it. So that you can really sit with it and say, Okay, this is what I’ve learned. How do I implement it well in my personal business?

[00:22:33] Amanda: Cause my business is different from their business and all of their other students’ 

[00:22:36] Sabrina: businesses. Exactly. 

[00:22:38] Amanda: Exactly. This has been such a great conversation, Sabrina. I, I think this is important for all of us to hear, especially as we’re getting towards this time of the year where I think a lot of us are ready to step back.

[00:22:50] Amanda: You know, we’re getting towards the Black Friday sales. Mm-hmm. and all of that’s happening. Moving into December where I know I am just not interested in working all that much in December. Yeah. I’m doing the bare minimum, I’m serving my clients and then I’m kind of done for the remainder of the year and I’m already looking towards next year.

[00:23:08] Amanda: And so I think this is a really well timed conversation and I’m really, really thankful that you were willing to come on here and have it with me. If you could give everyone one single action step to take this week, what would it. 

[00:23:20] Sabrina: Okay. So given the time of year that it is I would love to have everyone go into the Reminders app in their phone

[00:23:29] Sabrina: okay. And I want you to, you can either voice record it as a memo or you can type it out, whatever you prefer. But I want you to do an emotional dump on what you are feeling like right now at the end of busy season for photographers, busy season, for creatives selling season, the end of the year, the holidays, all of that.

[00:23:51] Sabrina: Do an emotional dump. Are you feeling overwhelmed? Are you feeling burnt out? Are you drained? Do you feel like you didn’t make enough money for all the work you did? Are you frustrated that you didn’t have an assistant? Do you, did certain systems not work well for you this year? And they were a constant problem just.

[00:24:07] Sabrina: Dump it out and then set it as a reminder to go off whatever the start of your launch season is for next year. So if, if we’re talking to photographers specifically that are, you know, fall heavy, then maybe you send it as a reminder for like June 1st. Okay, because that’s gonna give you that reminder before you start booking for fall, so that you can remember, Oh yeah, I was not in a good place at the end of last year. I need to put some different systems in place. I need to book less sessions. I need to charge more, whatever it is, so that you can actually not make the same mistakes because it’s kind of like when you have a newborn.

[00:24:46] Sabrina: And then you, you know, this baby grows to be three years old and all of a sudden you’re like, Let’s get pregnant again. And you forget all about the sleepless nights and how hard pregnancy is. It’s the same like you will come outta burnout six months later, you won’t feel the drain anymore. And having that reminder to specifically say, Oh, that’s right.

[00:25:04] Sabrina: These are the changes I need to make, so that you don’t end up in the same exact place a year from now.

[00:25:09] Amanda: I love that. That’s such a practical tip that I have never, ever, ever heard anyone say before. Oh, good. So that’s great. I love that. What about we end every episode with a book recommendation? Yeah. So what would be one book that you would recommend for everyone to go read or listen to?

[00:25:23] Amanda: And it can be business or fiction or anything in between. 

[00:25:26] Sabrina: Yeah. So I bounce, I bounce back and forth between business and fiction and, and all that. But a book that I read this summer that I really, really loved was, We Should All Be Millionaires by Rachel Rogers. Oh my gosh. I mean, it is such a practical, easy read because it’s a mix of like mindset.

[00:25:44] Sabrina: Feminine wisdom and then also like practical business stuff, you know? And she’s such an easy read. I actually read it and listened to the audible, like in sync cuz I just, I liked her voice and I just, anyways it’s a great, great read and I think every female entrepreneur should read it. 

[00:26:00] Amanda: And read it every single year. Yes, it’s, It’s so good. It’s so good. And there’s only so many steps that you can take at one time, so when you do the next time, you’re ready for the next step. So, Exactly. Love that one. So good. Yeah. Sabrina, thank you so much for being here. I know you have a free guide to sustainability for creatives.

[00:26:19] Amanda: Can you tell everyone about that and how they can write their hands on it? 

[00:26:22] Sabrina: Yeah, so sabrinagebhardt.com/sustainable. It is 10 steps to making sure your business is set up for long term sustainability, sustainable success. Can’t spit out all those Ss. But it’s just a really quick guide of things to make sure that you’re doing in your business so that you can be in business for the long run.

[00:26:41] Amanda: Perfect. Thank you so much. Everyone makes sure you go grab that. If you didn’t hear the link, it’s in the show notes and you can also check out all of her social media links and website and things like that there as well. 


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